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Manti Journal-3 2007

June 18, 2007 11:56 pm / Leave a Comment / Keith

Tonight was MUCH better! The park was packed with tents and the crowd on the streets was a large one like we use to have a few years ago. It started off pretty slow, but as I was talking to Becky, I noticed a young teenaged girl with a camera behind me. She looked like she wanted to take a picture of my T-shirt.

Friday , June 15th 2007

We normally wear our team shirt on Saturday’s, but since the biggest crowds are on Friday nights, we decided to wear them tonight instead. (See the May 22nd entry for a picture of our T-shirt) I walked over to the girl and asked if she wanted a picture of my shirt. She looked caught and said she didn’t, but I posed for her anyways. She said, “Well, OK. I will if you really want me to.” She took my picture and then asked what it meant. Becky and I were able to talk to 5-8 teens about the impossible gospel, grace and the Biblical gospel. At one point, the mother of one of the kids came over and listened too. Usually when parents come over, it is to break up the conversation. This lady eventually did lead the kids away, but not until we were able to explain a lot.

Throughout the evening, numerous people walked up to me and asked about my shirt. They are great conversation starters. One guy didn’t really want to talk, he just wanted to understand the message of the shirt. I explained it once and he said, “Well, it sounds like the same thing to me.” I explained it again and this time told him that the difference was between knowing that Jesus is sufficient rather than just one of many necessary things. Once I told him that since Jesus is sufficient to forgive my sins, the temple is unnecessary, he understood what I was getting at. He thanks me for explaining the shirt, took a tract and walked off.

I got into another impossible gospel conversation with a returned Mormon missionary named Justin. Things were going pretty well for awhile. During our conversation, three young ladies walked up and said, “We just want to know what you believe.” I told them that I was talking about that to Justin and that they were welcome to listen. They stood there for awhile until one of Justin’s friends came over and told him that his group was going to go sit down and that he should come with them. From that point on Justin seemed defensive and would not answer simple questions. The girls got a little nervous and walked off. It wasn’t until Justin ended the conversation that I turned around and noticed his buddy standing about 15 feet behind me.

I realized that Justin was getting defensive because he felt as if he had to look like he was in control of the conversation in front of his friend. One on one conversations can be so sincere until someone the Mormon knows comes over and listens. Then all of a sudden the atmosphere changes because their pride gets in the way and they don’t want to be viewed as weak. Justin got kind of frustrated and left. He still took a tract though so that was good.

It wasn’t too long before I got into another good conversation with some teens. I was talking to some Christian friends of mine and they pretty much just walked up and started talking to me. This conversation was with more than 10 teens and lasted for the rest of the night. It started with one a couple of main guys and then shifted once this other kid showed up. He was 16 and had a pretty sharp mind except for the time he told me how humble he was… oh, and he was serious. He was following my argument and asked some good questions. We went through the impossible gospel and got stuck on the point about repentance. That is what usually happens when you are talking to a group. Someone will come in late and start to raise objects that have already been raised and answered. When that happens, it seems like we’re just talking in circles.

Most of the kids stayed around for a good part of the conversation, but after most of the kids had left, this one kid stayed and talked. I think he felt “beat” and wanted to try to save face. He got frustrated again and left. Bill McKeever and I were standing there, turned around and saw this little, cocky 12 year old kid standing there. We started talking to him and then the previous kid saw that and came back to tell us how sad it was that we were picking on little kids. We explained that they walked up to us, not the other way around. He got on his little soap box and started talking about how I was way too prepared for him (like that is somehow a bad thing) and that he wasn’t prepared, but was being lead by the Lord to talk to me as eloquently as he was. I told him he was doing a great job and that I would love to talk with him one on one. The other kids were standing there looking at him and he said that he wouldn’t because all my scriptures were marked up and that I was too prepared, but all he had was God. I asked him why he needed any more than god and pointed out to him that I did not have my scriptures marked up. He then pointed at another piece of literature that I had shared with them and said that one was marked up. I handed it to him and asked him where I had marked it up. He handed it back and said, “Well, maybe you don’t, but I’m still not prepared.”

His group came back to retrieve him and I talked him into taking one of my tracts so that he could e-mail me if he had any questions. He looked hesitant, but I kept pleading with him. He said, “OK, I’ll read this tract and call you in a week.” He had a big smile on his face like he was looking forward to the challenge. I pray that he does call and that God gets a hold of him.

Posted in: Uncategorized / Tagged: Journal, Manti, Mormonism

Manti Journal-2 2007

June 18, 2007 11:48 pm / Leave a Comment / Keith

Thursday , June 14th 2007

Tonight at the pageant was pretty slow. One guy I talked to, Brent, was watching me pass out tracts and was leaning up against a pole sending out the, “don’t walk up and talk to me” vibe, so I figured I would walk up and talk to him. He was polite, but was also looking for a way to end our conversation as soon as possible. He took one of my tracts and made it very clear that he wasn’t interested in talking. I asked him what he did for a living and he looked surprised that I asked a question like that. It was like he didn’t want to tell me. He said he had background in law enforcement. I noticed that he was watching the crowd like he still might be a cop. We chatted for about 10 minutes before I left him alone. He did take a tract though and thanked me for it.

I got into a few other short conversations with guys named Chris, Steve and Jared. I was never really able to get into the impossible gospel, but I did talk about the nature of God with one guy. I didn’t have any really great conversations, but I did pass out a lot of tracts tonight. Most of the times Mormons do not want them until you tell them that it is not “anti-Mormon.” The tract we pass out is just a gospel tract that is worded in a way that is sensitive to the LDS audience.

Posted in: Uncategorized / Tagged: Journal, Manti, Mormonism

Manti Team 2007 Prepares For Our Mission Trip

June 11, 2007 6:08 am / Leave a Comment / Keith

Please pray for our team while we are on our annual mission trip to Manti, Utah. Every year the Mormon Church hosts pageants all over the country. One of the oldest and largest pageants is the Mormon Miracle Pageant in Manti, Utah.

Anywhere from 3-20 thousand people will show up each night of the pageant so there are plenty of people to witness to. Although this year’s team is smaller than normal, we still expect to see God do great things in and through us. Our team from left to right; Rosanne H., James L., Keith and Becky Walker.

The battle is the Lord’s, but we know He desires the prayers of the saints to stand in the gap for us. Please pray each day we’re gone and ask for God’s blessing, grace and mercy in reaching out to Mormons for Jesus. We ask for prayer coverage for the following matters;

· Traveling mercies (6/12-6/24)
· Divine Appointments
· Godly Confidence
· Necessary Provisions
· Protection from the enemy
· Health
· Unity among the Christians
· Salvation for the Lost!

Because we will be in a little town in central Utah, our web access will be limited. I will try to post updates here as much as I can. Thanks for the prayers and I can’t wait to report what God is doing!

Posted in: Uncategorized / Tagged: Manti, Mormonism

Christianity Today Admits Mistake In “Mitt’s Mormonism and the ‘Evangelical Vote’ ” Article

June 5, 2007 11:00 pm / 3 Comments / Keith

*** If you are not familiar with the Christianity Today story and my involvement with it or are new to my blog, it might be best to drop down to the Saturday, June 02, 2007 entry and read up from there. Thanks for stopping by and feel free to leave a comment. ***

Here is the latest on the CT controversy. It seems as if our voices have been heard and CT has admitted its mistake. A couple of hours after I sent my second e-mail to Madison Trammel, I received this response from her.

Keith,

Thanks for writing back. Your points are well-taken — indeed, upon further reflection, I agree with you that the article’s foray into Mormon doctrine was an unnecessary, and ultimately unhelpful, diversion from the article’s main point. Please check back at our website in the next week or so. I’m hoping we’ll be able to pull together a good response article that outlines Mormon-Christian theological differences.

Sincerely,
Madison

I don’t know about you, but I see this as a victory. I am encouraged that they are concerned about the issue and plan on making a distinction between Mormonism and Christianity in a future article. I eagerly await the piece and will pray that any confusion the original article produced will be cleared up. PRAISE THE LORD!

Posted in: Uncategorized / Tagged: Christianity Today, Mormonism

Christianity Today Responds To My E-mail

June 5, 2007 2:46 pm / 7 Comments / Keith

I was pleasantly surprised to find an e-mail in my Mail Washer spam blocker yesterday from an Associate Editor of Christianity Today. Madison Trammel responded to my concerns about the CT article that misrepresents Mormonism. Here is her e-mail.

Hi Keith,

Thanks for your letter to CT. As you noted, the article you responded to was coauthored by a Christian and a Mormon, and it allows the Mormon author to represent his faith in his own words. We trust that our readers will look deeper to see if his self-characterization is correct or not. Also, the article is not about Mormonism, per se, but about Mitt Romney and whether or not a Mormon candidate would make a good president. This is a question many evangelicals may ask in the coming months, and we felt this article had helpful insights for them to consider.

You’re right, the article is not helpful in outlining Mormon doctrine. That was not its point. We’ve discussed outlining doctrinal differences between Protestant Christians and Mormons in another, future piece, so hopefully we can make those distinctions more clear later.

I hope you can understand where we’re coming from. Not every piece can accomplish every purpose. But I do thank you for sharing your concern. It’s a good reminder to be careful with our readers’ spiritual wellbeing and to make every effort to point them away from error — to clarify biblical teaching and not muddy it in any way, even inadvertently.

Sincerely,

Madison Trammel
Associate Editor, Christianity Today
www.christianitytoday.com/ct

This is good news! Our voices are being heard! Here is my response to Madison.

Madison,

Thanks for your response. I am glad to have a real e-mail address to respond to. Blasted 1,000 character limit… 😉

I have a few thoughts that I would like to share regarding your explanation of the Millet/McDermott article. I think it is a good idea to get Christians to think about Romney, Mormonism and whether or not Christians will or should vote for him. I think the discussion can be stimulating and beneficial for all. The matter that I take issue with is the decision to let a Mormon present his view of the supposed similarities of Christianity and Mormonism in a Christian magazine and go completely unchallenged. Here are my concerns;

First, listing Robert Millet as a professor of Ancient Christian Scriptures at BYU is problematic. His BYU profile doesn’t even list him that way. He is listed as a “Professor of Ancient Scripture” and not everyone knows that BYU is a Mormon-owned, not Christian-owned, University.

Second, allowing a Mormon to “represent his faith in his own words” without any clarification from the Christian author is inviting confusion to those who know little or nothing about Mormonism. If Millet’s statements are not challenged, it is taken as an endorsement of his beliefs. Besides, we really don’t know which parts of the article were written by the Christian and which parts were written by the Mormon. That being the case, how can your readers “look deeper to see if his [Millet’s] self-characterization is correct,” if they do not know which words were his? Are they Millet’s words, McDermott’s words, or both?

Third, the entire thrust of the article is worded in such a way as to say that Christians are wrong about what they believe Mormons really believe. Language like, “Evangelicals accuse Mormons…,” “They think Mormons teach…,” “evangelicals say Mormons reject key Christian doctrines…,” etc. implies that Mormons are the victims of misunderstanding. Where is the balance that explains why Evangelicals believe these things about Mormons? Could it possibly be that Mormons really do believe these things? The reader is left with no reason to believe that that could be the case.

Fourth, as I stated in my original e-mail, I realize that the article was not about Mormonism. I think it is a good idea for Evangelicals to be challenged to consider voting for Romney, but not at the expense of confusing them over the heretical nature of Mormonism. If the article was about voting for a Mormon, why was Millet allowed to state his view of our supposed doctrinal similarities while the Christian remains silent with the truth about our differences? If the article is not supposed to be about doctrine, why was Millet allowed to bring it up in the first place? The reason why I mentioned that the article was not helpful is because your readers were presented with only one side of the story.

Fifth, I am happy to hear that you are considering an article outlining the differences between Christianity and Mormonism. May I suggest that you start with the differing World view of the two religions? On our web site, we have posted an overview of Mormonism that comes directly from one of the official teaching manuals of the Mormon Church. http://www.evidenceministries.org/marriage.php
It is an excellent explanation of Mormonism and it comes straight from their own material. I have it posted with no commentary of my own. It is so clearly non-Christian that it doesn’t need any. This information can be reproduced under the “Fair Use” clause of the copyright code.

Sixth, I do understand where you are coming from and that you cannot accomplish every purpose with every article. That is an impossible task and should not even be attempted. Such is the case with this article. If the article would have stayed on course with its intended purpose, (challenging Christians to consider a Mormon president), I would not have raised my objection. The article strayed from its course when Millet was allowed to delve into doctrinal issues without accountability and then stated, “Mormon beliefs are not as un-evangelical as most evangelicals think.” At least I think those were Millet’s words. I sure hope they were not McDermott’s.

Speaking of whom, I also raised some of these objections, as well as others, to Gerald
McDermott in an e-mail to him. I have it posted on my blog if you are interested. http://www.evidenceministries.blogspot.com/ It is the Saturday, June 02, 2007 entry.

Madison, thank you for reading and considering all of this. It is a bit longer than I wanted, but I felt it important to voice some of the concerns that I could not clarify with a 1,000 character limit. I am encouraged that you appreciate my concerns and that CT will look to avoid such mistakes in the future. You are correct in that you need to be careful with your readers spiritual well-being. I am grateful for your desire to point them away from error and to clarify biblical teaching.

God Bless you with spiritual wisdom and may He guard you from compromise.

Loved and Forgiven,

Keith Walker
Evidence Ministries

I hope you are as encouraged as I am that they hear us. It remains to be seen if anything will be done about it, but at least they have recognized our concern. Please join me in prayer that the editors at Christianity Today are sensitive to the Holy Spirit and that they obey Him.

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