We received an e-mail from Bob Betts who works with Concerned Christians in Mesa, Arizona about a new website that the Mormons have that is designed for those who are interested in Mormonism. Through this new investigator web site, it is possible to log on and chat live with a Mormon missionary. Just click on the top link titled “Ask A Question” and choose the “chat live” option.
After receiving the news of this web site, I just couldn’t resist. I logged on and chatted with Jason. Here is my first “live-chat” with a Mormon Missionary. It is long, but a quick read and well worth the time. Be sure to pass this website out to other Christians so that we can keep the LDS Missionaries busy hearing the truth.
*** Chat Transcript***
You are speaking live with Jason, who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Information provided in this session is to provide assistance only and is not an official statement of the Church.
Jason: How may I help you?
Keith: I just came across this site and saw that I could chat live. This is cool.
Jason: It is, do you know anything about the Church?
Keith: Which one?
Jason: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Keith: Oh, lol. Yes, I’ve talked to members before.
Jason: Have you ever attended a Church meeting?
Jason: What did you think when you went?
Keith: How do I get the window to stay scrolled down? It keeps jumping up every time one of us posts a comment.
Jason: Im sorry I’m not sure. It may be the browser you are using.
Jason: Would you like to know more about the Church?
Keith: Bummer. I’m using Internet Explorer so it may be a good idea to take note in case others complain about the same thing.
Keith: Yes, I would like to know more.
Keith: In fact, I saw something on the site about Jesus as a personal savior.
Keith: What does that mean?
Jason: We beleive that God is our Heavely Father, and that He loves us.
Keith: So how does that apply to Jesus being a personal savior?
Jason: Jesus atoned for all of our sin so that we may return to live with our Heavenly Father.
Keith: Side question* How long has this chat feature been here?
Jason: Since last November.
Keith: So, do you have a personal relationship with Jesus?
Jason: I do. I pray every day to Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ’s name.
Keith: So you don’t talk to Jesus?
Jason: Jesus Christ’s atonement as stated earlier is the central part of our Heavenly Father’s plan. Without the sacrifice Jesus made we would not be able to return with Heavenly Father.
Keith: OK, but do you talk to Jesus?
Keith: So like, you pray, “Dear Jesus thanks for a beautiful day?
Keith: I’m confused. How do you talk to Jesus then?
Jason: We open in the name of our Heavenly Father and pray to Him. However as stated before we do this in the name of Jesus Christ for he is the bridge of our relationship to God.
Keith: So then you don’t really talk to him?
Jason: So I do have a personal relationship with Jesus.
Keith: But, you don’t talk to him like the example I gave then, right?
Jason: We believe that God hears our prayers. However God and Jesus are one in purpose so he also hears our prayers.
Keith: How do you have a personal relationship with someone you don’t talk to?
Jason: I know that if you pray to God. You will feel Christ’s love you for along with the Father’s.
Keith: If I don’t talk to my wife, guess how long our relationship will last.
Jason: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=alma+7%3A11-13&do=Search(This URL is opening in the browser window that you opened the chat window from.)
Jason: This passage of scripture explains our relationship with Jesus.
Jason: He suffered for for all of our sins, weaknesses, and sorrows.
Jason: He has felt everything that you felt.
Jason: Therefore he has Personally suffered for you.
Keith: I’m not following you. I’m glad Jesus did all that for me, but President Bush does a lot of stuff for me too and I don’t have a personal relationship with him.
Jason: This passage is found in the Book of Mormon. This book was translated by a modern prophet. It gives us the fullness of Christ’s Gospel and atonement.
Jason: Has president Bush felt…Everything that you have felt?
Keith: I’m still confused about having a personal relationship with someone you don’t talk to. They may do all kinds of great things for me, but if I don’t talk to him, how is it that I have a personal relationship?
Jason: The true question of this matter isn’t how the relationship is established. The true matter is that Christ has done this for you, are you willing to accept His message and come unto Him?
Keith: Are you allowed to talk to Jesus?
Keith: How do I come to Jesus?
Jason: By repenting of your sins through Him and striving to follow the counsel that He and His gospel have established.
Keith: Are you allowed to talk to Jesus? I’ll get to the other stuff in a minute.
Jason: This gospel has been brought to us through a living prophet. Who guides and directs the Church of Christ even today.
Keith: OK… but can you talk to Jesus?
Jason: Christ has taught us how to pray.
Jason: If we disobey his counsel, how can we have a relationship with Him.
Jason: The closest way to get to Christ and develop a relationship with Him is to follow His example and teachings, which have been restored to us today by a living prophet.
Keith: I get the impression you don’t want to give me a direct answer. I’m just asking if you are allowed to talk to Jesus or not. At the beginning of the conversation you said you could. Am I confusing something?
Keith: Does this living prophet tell you that you can’t talk to Jesus?
Jason: I apologize if this is confusing if I did say you could direct your prayer only to Jesus Christ I apologize.
Jason: Jesus Christ has taught us to direct our prayers to Heavenly Father, in Jesus Christ’s name.
Keith: OK, just so that I have it straight. We’re not allowed to talk to Jesus, right?
Jason: Not in direct prayer.
Jason: One should not be concerned with this however.
Keith: How else could you do it?
Jason: The personal relationship we establish with Jesus Christ is by following the perfect example He set for us.
Keith: What does it mean to call upon the name of the Lord?
Jason: Because Jesus Christ knows who you are and what you are feeling, have felt, and will feel, He has a personal relationship with you.
Jason: When praying to our Heavenly Father you would first open in His name. “Dear Heavenly Father.” Then speak to him about your desires and gratitude to Him. then end “in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.”
Jason: This is the order of prayer that Jesus Christ has told us to follow.
Keith: So, if we are calling upon the name of the Lord, that means we are praying to God?
Keith: Do you have a Bible handy?
Keith: Can you please give me your thoughts about 1 Cor. 1:2?
VERY LONG PAUSE.
Keith: Are you still there?
Keith: Still thinking?
Jason: He is calling upon the name of Christ to speak with God, and glorify God. For that is Christ’s purpose, to glorifiy God, not himself.
Jason: Look in verse 4
Jason: As stated in the prayer order I gave you he is using the name of Jesus Christ to praise God.
Keith: Verse 4 is Paul’s prayer. Verse 2 is how all the saints everywhere call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. It doesn’t say anything about God.
Jason: Yes, they are to call on the name of Jesus Christ or as stated in the prayer order, “in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.” , to receive God’s grace through Jesus’s Atonement.
Keith: Hmmm. Take a look at Acts 7:59-60.
Jason: It is not as if you can just pick one verse of scripture and choose to believe that, and not the other. For it mentions God in the next verse.
Keith: I agree. Let me know when you get to Acts 7.
Jason: What are you trying to get to with this verse?
Jason: It is the people that are stoning him that say that.
Keith: Saying what?
Jason: Does it matter? For they are the ones sinning. Are you going to follow the example of sinners?
Keith: You’ve got me confused.
Jason: The peoople who are stoning him, are they following the example of Jesus Christ?
Keith: By killing Stephen? Of course not.
Jason: How then would they have right to call upon His name in an example of prayer?
Keith: Who is calling upon Jesus in prayer?
Jason: How is this verse supposedly proving your point that we can directly call upon Jesus Christ in prayer and not ever mention God?
Keith: I didn’t say that we don’t ever mention God. I am just asking you to give me your impression of the fact that Stephen directed his prayer to Jesus as he was being martyred.
Jason: Our purpose is to bring to you the truth of the Gospel. Are you willing to pray to God and find for yourself if this Gospel we preach is true?
Jason: Bible bashing brings no one close to Christ or God.
Keith: Can I pray to Jesus?
Jason: You can pray in Jesus’s name to our God the Eternal Father.
Jason: Are you willing to do that?
Keith: This is interesting. I’m not Bible bashing with you here. I’m asking for you thoughts about certain verses. If I pray through Jesus, where do my prayers go?
Jason: Are you willing to pray to God?
Keith: Are you willing to help me with my question?
Jason: I can’t go any further on this issue if you are unwilling to pray to God in Jesus’s name if our message is true.
Jason: The point of this chat is to help others come closer to God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Keith: So, I’ll take that as a “No.” If you are telling me that I cannot pray to Jesus about your Church, then there are some serious problems here.
Keith: Don’t my prayers first have to go TO Jesus before they go THROUGH him?
Jason: I know that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored to this day through the prophet Joseph Smith, by the power and revelatioin of God. I would invite you to pray about this to our Heavenly Father, and ask if it is true.
Keith: That would be nice if you could clarify who I can pray to. You seem defensive and unwilling to answer my questions.
Jason: If you will do this I know that you will receive and answer, and promise you that by acting upon this revelation that you get you can recieve a greater peace in your life.
Jason: Pray to our God Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Keith: Sounds nice, but I’d really appreciate an answer.
Jason: I have.
Keith: Think of it this way. When you are done for the day and leave to go home. Try walking THROUGH the door before you go TO the door.
Keith: Don’t you first have to go TO the door before you can go through it?
Jason: I think this is a good point to end our conversation, I have answered the question on how to pray, will you please do so?
Keith: You’re telling me to go through the door but forbidding me to go to it.
Jason: Thank you, have a good day.
***End of Chat***
Hmmm? Isn’t it interesting that they call it “Bible bashing” only after you ask them a question they can’t answer?