Tag Archives: A Conversation With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

Thanksgiving and the Deity of Christ With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

(Continuing from the last post titled “False Prophecy 4.3 With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder.” This post is titled differently because we did not discuss the issue of false prophecy at all during this part of our three hour conversation)

JW: Ties are pagan?

KW: You remember that. We talked about how ties were originally a part of French military uniforms. You are against war and against the military so why are you wearing part of a French military uniform?

JW: (laughing) Yeah.

KW: It is the same thing.

JW: No, it’s not the same thing.

KW: Sure it is. It is the exact same argument. Just because the origin of something may be less than exemplary doesn’t mean it is the same thing for today.

JW: My conscience wouldn’t allow me to participate in any of the holidays because my worship is supposed to be clean and undefiled.

KW: My worship is clean and undefiled and I wouldn’t want to defile it with a pagan tie. Read More …

False Prophecy 4.3 With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

(Continuing from the last post)

I saw my friend’s ugly side and I didn’t like it. He sat in his seat holding his book bag across his chest like a school girl who was afraid to walk down a hallway full of players from the high school football team.

KW: Which brother?

JW: You remember the one.

KW: The rude guy? Do you really think you are wasting your time?

JW: I thought I wasn’t.

KW: So, do you really think you are wasting your time? Read More …

False Prophecy 4.2 With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy (Proverbs 27:6).

(Continuing from the last post)

KW: I have a question. How can I know the difference between new light and false prophecy?

Silence. Except for the crickets, of course.

JW:  What do you mean by false prophecy? Do you mean in relation to this subject?

KW: In general. Do you remember one of our previous conversations when I told you about a friend of mine who belonged to a group which did make false prophecies? What if his leaders claimed to make an adjustment or if they said they had new light? How can I define a false prophet in such a way that he can’t use the excuse of new light?

In Deuteronomy 18 there is a test. If someone claims things in the name of the Lord and it doesn’t come true, then that is a false prophet. But if a false prophet could say, “Well, we got new light,” then how do I know if he is really a false prophet? How do you define a false prophet? Read More …

False Prophecy 4.1 With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

Guilty as charged.

Guilty as charged.

Do you remember when I said at the end of my last post how that meeting was the most difficult discussion we had to date? Well, today was another day. This one topped that one by far. My Jehovah’s Witness friend was so upset, I almost lost him twice. We’re talking gather up his stuff, pack his book bag, place it on his lap and saying. “I don’t see any point to meeting anymore.” Yeah, that close. This false prophecy issue has him sweating bullets. Read More …

False Prophecy Part 3 With A Jehovah’s Witness Elder

JW Kitty 1975JW: All I need is this (pointing to his Bible) and this (pointing to the “Teach” book).

KW: (Pointing to my Bible) All I need is this. If the Watchtower did imply that 1975 was going to be the end of the world, and obviously it hasn’t happened, then that would concern me.

JW: Let’s say I was afraid to search it out. What would that change between us sitting here discussing things?

He had sort of a sad look in his face at this point. I got the impression that he thought I would no longer study with him if he refused to look at the references. From the looks of him, he didn’t like that thought.

KW: What do you mean by, “What would change?”

JW: Why do we need to talk about this in the first place?

KW: Because it is stuff we talked about last week. I mentioned TV preachers and false prophecy and you said that because some Jehovah’s Witnesses believed the end of the world was going to occur in 1975, the Watchtower has been accused of being a false prophet. Read More …